I used to be the queen of small talk. Also, I used to think everyone could small talk. That is, until I met my dear, beloved husband. He was the first person who pointed out to me that it is a skill, and not a skill everyone has. He, in fact, does not possess it. Don’t get me wrong, he’s extremely friendly, but he really doesn’t know how to talk about nothing. If you get him going on something he loves or has a passion about, say, the newest Apple product, or international politics, or police brutality, he can wax poetic and it’s difficult to get him to stop. But ask him how his day was? He will say “good.” End of conversation.
This blog isn’t about my sweet husband, though, it’s about me, and I have seemingly lost this important gift. I mentioned that Chris was the first person to tell me I was talented at small talk, but many other people have said similar things in different ways to me before. My best friend always used to say, “it’s so easy to take you places because I never have to worry about you, you make friends everywhere!” This is also why I make a great wing-woman. It isn’t really making friends, though, it’s just mindless chat, and finding little things in common with people so you can fill the time with a drink in your hand. I honestly never gave it a second thought, it’s just something I did with ease.
That is, until 6 months ago, when all of that changed. Small talk is hard now because it’s small. And what has happened in my life recently is HUGE. I can’t possibly think about the weather because I’m thinking about my dead daughter. I can’t think about someone else’s work drama because I almost died. I can’t think about how frustrating it is to deal with airline customer service, because all of my friends are pregnant and I am not even allowed to try to be.
I remember two events specifically where I realized I had lost the gift of small talk. The first one happened a few weeks after I left the hospital. I agreed to go on a walk in Central Park to see the cherry blossoms with a few friends. I was pretty nervous about it. It was the first time I was going to see a group of people, and the first time I was going to see a lot of these people post-baby. Walking there, I figured out a strategy: I didn’t want to talk about what happened with me, so I would ask a million questions about them. That’s exactly what I did. And the truth of small talk is that really only one side needs to talk, and the other side can just listen and ask a lot of questions. The main problem with this is that the question-asker is supposed to care about the answers, and I simply did not. For almost two hours around the reservoir in Central Park I heard about my friends’ dating woes, their job interviews, their vacation plans, all of the little things in life. But they were all just that: little. Meanwhile, all I heard in my head was the BIG thing in life. My empty uterus.
The issue is, when you don’t care about little things, but you don’t want to talk about big things, it makes socialization really difficult. The second event I remember, again I was in a group of people. We had planned a low-key short walk through a street fair and gelato outing. But it turned into a multi-hour affair. I didn’t want to talk about “the big thing” but I realllly didn’t care about everyone’s small things. All I wanted to do was go home and cry. And sleep. It was so exhausting feigning interest while also being constantly on edge that something about me might come up. I danced around it to try and remain engaged. I remember one person talking about their extremely high medical bills and I chimed in to mention that I had already hit by $5750 out of pocket max for the year. Besides that, I don’t remember any of the details of the conversations, since I was mostly thinking about going home, but not knowing how to remove myself from the situation.
When I leave events like that, and I realize I’ve basically blacked out my friends’ conversations and details about their lives, it makes me feel like a horrible friend. But the reality is, I just don’t care. In the grand scheme of things, all of the small things just feel so small! My therapist always chides me for my newfound social isolation, but it feels like a lose-lose situation when I’m around people. The cycle goes like this: I ask questions, I try to care, I fail at caring, and I feel like a shit friend.
I have noticed that this phenomenon is even more magnified when I speak to my pregnant friends. I, unfortunately, have 3 pregnant friends. Four before last weekend, but now I have three pregnant and one with a newborn. I could write a whole blog (or series) about how I am navigating these friendships, but for now, let’s just say, small talk is EXTREMELY difficult. For them, the main thing in their lives is being pregnant, having a baby soon, and the complete role-adjustment of becoming a parent. For me, the main thing in my life is not being pregnant, having a dead baby, and the complete role-adjustment of being an almost-parent, to being an empty, baren, not sure if I’ll ever be the parent of a living child. My pregnant friends don’t want to talk about their big things because they don’t want to upset me, and I don’t want to talk about my big thing because I don’t want to terrify them with my story. So, what does that leave for conversation? Small talk. Dumb work drama. Photos of their pets. Weather. Memes. It all feels extremely meaningless.
I actually pointed this out a while ago to my pregnant friend. Last November, she had gone through a pregnancy loss, and I was still pregnant. I planned not to talk about my pregnancy at all when we had dinner, but she kept asking questions, so I followed her lead and answered them as tersely as possible. When we saw each other in July, she was pregnant again, and I was not, and I was asking her questions. She said she hadn’t been talking to me about it because she didn’t want to upset me, but I explained that I had no interest in talking about the weather and I wanted to know how she was really feeling. This is all extremely complicated to navigate, and as the loss mom, I know I have to drive the conversation since I am the one whose feelings are being protected.
As for my non-pregnant friends, I have been trying as hard as I can to come back to my friendships and care about their lives. That sounds bad in writing. I find myself more and more like Chris, trying to get into deeper conversations that feel meaningful. Surface-level conversations now feel empty to me, so I have been working to have more one-on-one time with friends where we can actually talk about the real stuff. I’m seeking out spaces where I feel comfortable laughing, but also feel ok if I shed a tear. Maybe I don’t care that their Instacart order delivered the wrong milk, but I do care that their egg freezing cycle wasn’t as successful as they had hoped. Maybe I will zone out if they tell me that their husband left his socks on the floor 5 days in a row, but I will try hard to listen and relate if they tell me that their in-laws are driving them insane because they haven’t visited enough. I don’t want my friends to shy away from talking about their problems because they know my problem is HUGE. I may not be the queen of small talk anymore, but I am working toward being the queen of empathetic listening.
I am going on my first girls trip in 10 days. If I told you I was excited and not anxious about it at all, I’d be lying. It’s a huge step for me to hang out with multiple people for multiple days, with many many hours of conversation. As I move forward, I am trying to cultivate time and space with friends who can be there for both ups and downs. I know that all of my friends have their own struggles, and that we can hold space for both complaining about a long hike, and talking about grief and loneliness, all in the same sentence. For that, I’m grateful.